Flow Chart of Sugyah
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If a person hires skilled workers and they deceived the
employer, or the employer deceived them, they can only complain because they
have no monetary claim against each other. |
Quote from Mishnah |
דתניא השוכר את האומנין והטעו את בעל הבית או בעל הבית הטעה אותן אין להם זה על זה אלא תרעומת |
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When is it said that a day worker has no monetary claim
against the employer? |
Clarification of Baraita |
במה דברים אמורים |
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This is said when the employer cancels on the workers
before they have left for work. |
Answer |
שלא
הלכו |
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But, for example, if the workers come to work and the
supplies are not available, they are paid as inactive workers. Cases of the Gemara: -if you hired a donkey driver to transport grain and
when the worker showed up there was no grain -if you hired workers to plow the field and when the
workers showed up the land was unsuitable for plowing |
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אבל
הלכו חמרים
ולא מצאו
תבואה
פועלין
ומצאו שדה
כשהיא לחה
נותן להן
שכרן משלם
אבל אינו דומה
הבא טעון לבא
ריקן עושה
מלאכה ליושב
ובטל |
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When is it said that neither party has a monetary claim
against each other? |
Clarification of Baraita |
בד"א |
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This is said when workers who are hired on contract
have not started their work yet. But if they had started their work and one of them
broke the contract, a different law applies. They are evaluated for the work
they have performed, and they are paid based on the evaluation. |
Answer |
שלא
התחילו
במלאכה אבל
התחילו
במלאכה שמין
להן מה שעשו |
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How do we evaluated them? |
Question |
כיצד |
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Case 1: Workers were hired to harvest the land for 2 selaim. At Case 2: Workers were hired to weave clothing for 2 selaim. At |
Answer |
קבלו
קמה לקצור
בשני סלעים
קצרו חציה
והניחו חציה
בגד לארוג
בשני סלעים
ארגו חציו
והניחו חציו |
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Since they completed half the work, they receive half
of the money they contracted for, regardless of the current price of labour (eg. if the price has gone up or down). Or the workers can complete their work and collect the
full payment. |
The Ruling |
שמין
להן את מה
שעשו היה יפה
ששה דינרים
נותן להן סלע
או יגמרו
מלאכתן
ויטלו שני
סלעים ואם סלע
נותן להם סלע |
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Talmud’s discussion on Baraita |
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An excerpt from the above braita
was taught in the presence of Rav. The Braita: If the workers arrive and there is no labour for them
to perform they are paid full wages. |
Case in Talmud |
תני
תנא קמיה דרב נותן
להם שכרן
משלם |
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Rav said that his uncle Rabbi Hiya
said that he would not have paid the worker full wages since he did no work.
He would have paid the worker as an inactive worker. And yet the Braita says that
the employer must pay the worker full wages. This implies that Rabbi Hiya does not follow the Braita. |
Question |
אמר
ליה חביבי
אמר אילו אנא
הואי לא הוה
יהיבנא להן
אלא כפועל
בטל ואת
אמרת נותן
להם שכרן
משלם |
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You can’t compare the worth of someone who works to
someone who doesn’t do any work. |
Proof |
והא
עלה קתני
אינו דומה
הבא טעון
להבא ריקן עושה
מלאכה ליושב
ובטל |
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When Rav was taught the Braita,
the teacher did not finish teaching him, therefore
Rav thought that the Braita meant you have to pay
full wages instead of paying as an inactive worker. |
First Answer |
לא
סיימוה קמיה |
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There are those who say that Rav teacher did indeed
finish teaching him the Braita. |
Second Version |
איכא
דאמרי
סיימוה קמיה |
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Rav said that his uncle Rabbi Hiya
said that he would not have paid the workers anything at all because they
didn’t perform any labour. But the Braita says that we
pay them as inactive workers. This poses a difficulty because Rabbi Hiya contradicts the Braita. |
Question |
והכי
קאמר חביבי
אמר אי הואי
אנא לא הוה
יהיבנא ליה
כלל ואת
אמרת כפועל
בטל אלא
קשיא הך |
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There is no difficulty because Rabbi Hiya only says that the workers should not be paid at all
when the show up and there is no work to be done in a case where they
inspected the field the night before. They should have realized that the land
would be unsuitable for work. The Braita’s ruling that they
are paid as inactive workers applies to a situation in which the workers did
not come to inspect the land the night before. |
Answer |
לא
קשיא הא
דסיירא
לארעיה
מדאורתא הא
דלא סיירא
לארעיה
מאורתא |
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This is comparable to Rava’s
ruling. The case: An employer hired worker to dig ditches in his field,
however it rained and the field was unsuitable for digging. The Law: If the workers and the employer inspected the land the
night before, then the workers are not paid at all. But if the workers and
the employer had not inspected the land the night before, then the employer
must pay the workers as inactive workers. |
The Case The Law |
כי
הא דאמר רבא
האי מאן דאגר
אגירי לרפקא
ואתא מטרא
ומלייה מיא אי
סיירא
לארעיה
מאורתא
פסידא
דפועלים,
לא סיירא
לארעיה
מאורתא
פסידא דבעל
הבית ויהיב
להו כפועל
בטל |
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This is comparable to another one of Rava’s rulings. The case: An employer hires workers to irrigate this field,
however it rained and the field no longer required irrigation. The law: It is the workers loss and the employer does not have
to pay the worker at all. However if the river swelled and watered the field, it
is the employers loss and he must pay the workers as inactive workers. |
The case The Law The case The Law |
ואמר
רבא האי מאן
דאוגיר
אגורי
לדוולא ואתא
מטרא פסידא
דפועלים אתא
נהרא פסידא
דבעל הבית
ויהיב להו כפועל
בטל |
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This is comparable to another one of Rava’s rulings. The case: An employer hires workers to draw water and irrigate
his field. At The law: If the river does not usually dry up, it is the
workers’ loss and they are not paid. If the river usually dries up and the
workers are residents of the town, they would be expected to know this and it
is their loss, however if they are not residents of the town it is the
employer loss, and they are paid as inactive workers. |
The Case The Law |
ואמר
רבא האי מאן
דאוגיר
אגורי
לדוולא ופסק
נהרא בפלגא
דיומא אי
לא עביד
דפסיק פסידא
דפועלים , עביד
דפסיק, אי
בני מתא פסידא
דפועלים, לאו
בני מתא פסידא
דבעל הבית |
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Rava’s final ruling. The case: An employer hires workers to carry out a certain task
that he thinks will take the whole day to complete. At The law: If he has another task for the workers which is less or
equally physically demanding than the previous task, then he may tell them to
do this for the rest of the day, however if the next task is more physically
demanding he is not allowed to give them this task and he must allow them to
take the rest of the day off and pay them for the entire day. |
The Case The Law |
ואמר
רבא האי מאן
דאגר אגורי
לעבידתא
ושלים עבידתא
בפלגא דיומא אי
אית ליה
עבידתא
דניחא מינה
יהיב להו, א"נ
דכותה מפקד
להו, דקשה
מינה לא מפקד
להו ונותן
להם שכרן
משלם |
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Why must they be paid their full wages if the work only
took them half a day? Let them be paid as inactive workers for the afternoon. |
Question |
אמאי
וליתיב להו
כפועל בטל |
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Rava’s ruling was referring to the workers
of Mechoza. The people of Mechoza
were primarily employed as porters and constantly carried heavy loads. By
taking half a day off, this was of no benefit to them because it weakens
their muscles, therefore they must be paid their full wages. However other
workers do not need to be compensated for the rest of the day and would be
paid as inactive workers. |
Answer |
כי
קאמר רבא
באכלושי
דמחוזא דאי
לא עבדי חלשי |